[derangedcow]

http://lunia.nexon.c...&BoardID=804993

here's me taking a crack at it - don't quote me on this!

there seems to be some new stage with ancient gods that u can do 3x a day. supposedly really hard.
also new myth raids which includes bapho

myths 1~3 has some change to the box rate and the number cards at the end

new blue crystal apple stuff

andddddd eir changes:
sunlight endurance at lvl 5
something about fixing the range of loh
change to both beads induction
more mp from PoS, rb PoS better than regular
purification/antidote higher levels -> lower cd
something about dodge height per level
fog range increase per level
i think it says 85 skill attacks too, and the nuclear reagent
both jogs have dash cancel, but i dont know at which part of the jog
i think it says some buffs can stack some cant
light shield cd decreases per level
i'm not so sure what it says about passives but seems like it says higher lvl heal = less dmg, higher lvl magic passive = less heal. also, levels max at 13, but the max percentage stays the same. in other words u need more points to max them

after lvl 3, bind works on higher level monsters, like the red ones
moonchain something about after lvl 5 and red monsters. something about tears and red monsters too

the AAS is something about canceling or not being able to cancel - from player suggestions

if i said "i think" or "not sure" or "seems like," don't trust me on it so much

[Nite]

the new stage just like bonus stage backthen where u can enter 3 times per day

[kitty]

The 2nd line, 2 paragraph.

"Holy Spirit, Sunlight and Sacred Wave cannot be cancelled."

[derangedcow]

`-` very funny sir

[Dorgax]

rob, i can give u access to ktest... its kira`s account but im sure he doesnt mind and if you create a char now you can get instant lvl 70

just saying if you would like to try eir balance.

[derangedcow]

sunlight endurance at lvl 5
3rd wave of loh has increased range
prayer has 10 waves, increases in speed towards the end
both beads target lower hp party members
PoS and rb PoS changed to -hp and-mp by %
purification/antidote higher levels -> lower cd
dodge endurance at lvl 5 and the dash it makes you do after dodge will increase in distance per level. it will help lower levels catch their opponent in pvp after using a low-height dodge i guess. you'll see the sequence of pictures below, with the little dodge piece on the ground
fog range increase per level
85 skill now attacks too, and the nuclear reagent
both jogs have dash cancel as she starts her descent
buffs are now stackable
both passives increased to lvl 13. heal passive has a -skill damage %, and vice versa
after lvl 3, bind works on targets in the air
after lvl 5, chain works on targets in the air
tears can pick up from the ground
u only have to press s once for pentagram. eir will spam the other 4 S's by herself, like d eir

rb pieces total revamp - is now lunia's moonerang. idk if it comes back actually so it might note be exactly a moonerang. looks like 25 sec base cd


look at that huge range. it reaches to the last scarecrow. looks like a little further than pentagram

i got those off a br lunia forum, which i found cause youtube showed they linked my video in that forum

also, these

looks like if u max both passives its 39% increase damage 13% increase heal. the damage isn't so far off what it is now. i think i'm going to lvl enough to get more damage and maybe only a 25% decrease in heal



fog dmg decrease O_o



edit: lol hi dorg i was wondering why u were viewing this at the same time i started posting, then saw your post after i posted mine. anyway nah its okay i can wait. if i try it now i wont be excited for it later

[Damie]

omg im so excited! maybe some eirs will come back too

[derangedcow]

here's how the moonpiece looks like in video
doesnt come back to u so it's not a moonerang

[Damie]

derangedcow, on 24 September 2010 - 10:22 PM, said:

here's how the moonpiece looks like in video
doesnt come back to u so it's not a moonerang

Rough translation of the video:


New Moon Piece: like Lunia Boss' Mega Moon Piece, without the boomerang effect (darn!), damage 1834-2038
JoG: damage 4739 - 5266, cancellable on descent
New JoG: damage 4202 - 5255, also cancellable on descent
Prayer of Healing: 10 waves (instead of 9)
Price of Sacrifice (original and new one): cures by % (guessing both mana and hp in the case of RB PoS, they didn't specify)
Tears of a Goddess: hits mobs on floor
Sunlight of Healing and Light of Healing: level 5+, impossible to dash cancel OR endurance, video isn't clear, but cow mentioned endurance in his post so it's most likely endurance
Light of Healing: amplified effect (3rd wave has bigger range)
New Beads: amplified effect (follows after those with lowest hp)
Magic Fortification Passive: augments damage 78%, diminishes heals 78%
Healing Fortification Passive: augments healing 91%, diminishes damage 39%

This post has been edited by Damie: 25 September 2010 - 05:08 PM

[derangedcow]

i thought lvl 5+ was endurance QQ

[Damie]

well it said anti-immobilization, so that could be endurance? i'll fix the post

[derangedcow]

thanks dames

so it's either i get
lvl 13 skill buff and lvl 6 heal buff - +60% dmg and -36% heal
or
lvl 13 skill buff and lvl 7 heal buff - +57% dmg and -30% heal

[Damie]

Here is a little (big) table of all the possible combinations of levelling up Eir's Fortification Passives.


This is based on the assumption that each level up is uniform (mag fort +6% magic / -6% heal, heal fort +9% heal / -3% damage mag fort +10% magic / -6% heal, heal fort +10% heal / -6% damage) AKA linear growth.


I also calculated the optimal settings for the passives, and by optimal I mean maximizing the sum of the two percentages, as well as minimizing the difference between the two passives. Problem with this optimization: this will be in favor of healing passive, since it is the passive that hurts damage passive less as you level it up (takes away only 3% of damage per level) compared to damage passive hurting healing passive as you level it up (takes away 6% of healing per level); it also increases the total sum more than the damage passive (healing passive at max is 91% to offer, whereas damage passive only offers 78% at max). Since it is linear growth (assumption), you will get maximum total sum of the two percentages when healing passive is max; adjust the damage fortification until you get a good balance between the two. I also calculated two other optimals, where you maximize damage without healing going in the negative, or optimize healing without damage going in the negative.

Here are some optimal settings

Max Possible Level at +13/+13:
Optimal (Balance between the two passives): +13 Magic Fortification Passive / +13 Healing Fortification Passive for 52% damage increase and 52% healing increase
Optimal (Damage over Healing): +13 Magic Fortification Passive / +8 Healing Fortification Passive for 82% damage increase and 2% healing increase
Optimal (Healing over Damage): +8 Magic Fortification Passive / +13 Healing Fortification Passive for 2% damage increase and 82% healing increase

Max Possible Level with Dyes +15/+15:
Optimal (Balance between the two passives): +15 Magic Fortification Passive / +15 Healing Fortification Passive for 60% damage increase and 60% healing increase
Optimal (Damage over Healing): +15 Magic Fortification Passive / +9 Healing Fortification Passive for 96% damage increase and 0% healing increase
Optimal (Healing over Damage): +9 Magic Fortification Passive / +15 Healing Fortification Passive for 0% damage increase and 96% healing increase





***Personal Note***: Eir's healing rate grows much higher per +int than her skill damage (healing has direct dependence on +int), compared to her damage (magic skill attacks depend on +str as well, deadly blow rate depends on +int, but requires good +dex and pets that can raise Chances of Deadly Blow in order to get Deadly Blow Rate in effect). No one needs overkill heals really, and having that extra damage will most likely benefit the party more than having more heals. 4k +int has really good heals in itself, and 5k +int is more than necessary (although more is better!) for overkill heals (without the healing passive buff!). I'd go with the optimal Damage over Healing settings, over 40% 80% more damage, and a 6% 0% heal increase to change those 15k +hp heals into... 15k+ heals! Just my suggestion. Here is the table!

Another note: If you think the whole Full Support / DPS / Hybrid Eir classification has died out, thanks to this fortification system it has once again come back. Don't believe me? Try out DPS Eir, maxing out magic fortification and adding a dye to have it at +15, and keep healing fortification at 0, to see how your damage has increased a whopping 150%, 2.5 times the damage you usually hit! (i.e. if you damage usually 1000, it is now 2500), and how your heals drop to a measly 10% (so remember those 15000 heals? it's now 1500 q.q at least you can fake res...). DPS Eir sounds top tier damage, Full Support can heal you fully and quickly, and Hybrids are pretty balanced out (Hybrids however need to spend more SP, so happy hunting!)

MagLvl is Magic Fortification Passive Level, HealLvl is Healing Fortification Passive Level, Mag% is the percentage increased (or decreased) for magic damage, and Heal% is the percentage increased (or decreased) for healing rate

MagLvl	HealLvl		Mag%	Heal%
0	0		0	0
0	1		-6	10
0	2		-12	20
0	3		-18	30
0	4		-24	40
0	5		-30	50
0	6		-36	60
0	7		-42	70
0	8		-48	80
0	9		-54	90
0	10		-60	100
0	11		-66	110
0	12		-72	120
0	13		-78	130
0	14		-84	140
0	15		-90	150
1	0		10	-6
1	1		4	4
1	2		-2	14
1	3		-8	24
1	4		-14	34
1	5		-20	44
1	6		-26	54
1	7		-32	64
1	8		-38	74
1	9		-44	84
1	10		-50	94
1	11		-56	104
1	12		-62	114
1	13		-68	124
1	14		-74	134
1	15		-80	144
2	0		20	-12
2	1		14	-2
2	2		8	8
2	3		2	18
2	4		-4	28
2	5		-10	38
2	6		-16	48
2	7		-22	58
2	8		-28	68
2	9		-34	78
2	10		-40	88
2	11		-46	98
2	12		-52	108
2	13		-58	118
2	14		-64	128
2	15		-70	138
3	0		30	-18
3	1		24	-8
3	2		18	2
3	3		12	12
3	4		6	22
3	5		0	32
3	6		-6	42
3	7		-12	52
3	8		-18	62
3	9		-24	72
3	10		-30	82
3	11		-36	92
3	12		-42	102
3	13		-48	112
3	14		-54	122
3	15		-60	132
4	0		40	-24
4	1		34	-14
4	2		28	-4
4	3		22	6
4	4		16	16
4	5		10	26
4	6		4	36
4	7		-2	46
4	8		-8	56
4	9		-14	66
4	10		-20	76
4	11		-26	86
4	12		-32	96
4	13		-38	106
4	14		-44	116
4	15		-50	126
5	0		50	-30
5	1		44	-20
5	2		38	-10
5	3		32	0
5	4		26	10
5	5		20	20
5	6		14	30
5	7		8	40
5	8		2	50
5	9		-4	60
5	10		-10	70
5	11		-16	80
5	12		-22	90
5	13		-28	100
5	14		-34	110
5	15		-40	120
6	0		60	-36
6	1		54	-26
6	2		48	-16
6	3		42	-6
6	4		36	4
6	5		30	14
6	6		24	24
6	7		18	34
6	8		12	44
6	9		6	54
6	10		0	64
6	11		-6	74
6	12		-12	84
6	13		-18	94
6	14		-24	104
6	15		-30	114
7	0		70	-42
7	1		64	-32
7	2		58	-22
7	3		52	-12
7	4		46	-2
7	5		40	8
7	6		34	18
7	7		28	28
7	8		22	38
7	9		16	48
7	10		10	58
7	11		4	68
7	12		-2	78
7	13		-8	88
7	14		-14	98
7	15		-20	108
8	0		80	-48
8	1		74	-38
8	2		68	-28
8	3		62	-18
8	4		56	-8
8	5		50	2
8	6		44	12
8	7		38	22
8	8		32	32
8	9		26	42
8	10		20	52
8	11		14	62
8	12		8	72
8	13		2	82
8	14		-4	92
8	15		-10	102
9	0		90	-54
9	1		84	-44
9	2		78	-34
9	3		72	-24
9	4		66	-14
9	5		60	-4
9	6		54	6
9	7		48	16
9	8		42	26
9	9		36	36
9	10		30	46
9	11		24	56
9	12		18	66
9	13		12	76
9	14		6	86
9	15		0	96
10	0		100	-60
10	1		94	-50
10	2		88	-40
10	3		82	-30
10	4		76	-20
10	5		70	-10
10	6		64	0
10	7		58	10
10	8		52	20
10	9		46	30
10	10		40	40
10	11		34	50
10	12		28	60
10	13		22	70
10	14		16	80
10	15		10	90
11	0		110	-66
11	1		104	-56
11	2		98	-46
11	3		92	-36
11	4		86	-26
11	5		80	-16
11	6		74	-6
11	7		68	4
11	8		62	14
11	9		56	24
11	10		50	34
11	11		44	44
11	12		38	54
11	13		32	64
11	14		26	74
11	15		20	84
12	0		120	-72
12	1		114	-62
12	2		108	-52
12	3		102	-42
12	4		96	-32
12	5		90	-22
12	6		84	-12
12	7		78	-2
12	8		72	8
12	9		66	18
12	10		60	28
12	11		54	38
12	12		48	48
12	13		42	58
12	14		36	68
12	15		30	78
13	0		130	-78
13	1		124	-68
13	2		118	-58
13	3		112	-48
13	4		106	-38
13	5		100	-28
13	6		94	-18
13	7		88	-8
13	8		82	2
13	9		76	12
13	10		70	22
13	11		64	32
13	12		58	42
13	13		52	52
13	14		46	62
13	15		40	72
14	0		140	-84
14	1		134	-74
14	2		128	-64
14	3		122	-54
14	4		116	-44
14	5		110	-34
14	6		104	-24
14	7		98	-14
14	8		92	-4
14	9		86	6
14	10		80	16
14	11		74	26
14	12		68	36
14	13		62	46
14	14		56	56
14	15		50	66
15	0		150	-90
15	1		144	-80
15	2		138	-70
15	3		132	-60
15	4		126	-50
15	5		120	-40
15	6		114	-30
15	7		108	-20
15	8		102	-10
15	9		96	0
15	10		90	10
15	11		84	20
15	12		78	30
15	13		72	40
15	14		66	50
15	15		60	60

This post has been edited by Damie: 30 September 2010 - 12:14 AM

[derangedcow]

thanks dames
i like the +57% dmg & -29% heal, but we get 2 full sp reset per rb so i'll try the +66% dmg & 50% heal first

[derangedcow]

sorry you went through all the table making damie, but newest update:
with +2 max dmg buff, it will be +150% dmg and -90% heal
with +2 max heal buff, it will be +150% heal and -90% damage

so both maxed both +2 becomes +60% heal +60% damage

and moon piece will be dash cancelable

[Allea]

derangedcow, on 29 September 2010 - 07:35 PM, said:

sorry you went through all the table making damie, but newest update:
with +2 max dmg buff, it will be +150% dmg and -90% heal
with +2 max heal buff, it will be +150% heal and -90% damage

so both maxed both +2 becomes +60% heal +60% damage

and moon piece will be dash cancelable

My response to this, same as the one on ggftw, it's nice and seems promising but choosing between a LS+2 dye and healing forti +2 dye will be hard. =/

Time to buy apples and hope to find a dye I suppose or farm gold, and RB lots, because Eir is going to be really good. (I was going to stop at 15, but given the way things are when this patch arrives, it'll be truly amazing to see).

As for moon piece being dash cancelable, it's about time that will happen.

This post has been edited by Allea: 29 September 2010 - 08:16 PM

[Damie]

derangedcow, on 29 September 2010 - 07:35 PM, said:

sorry you went through all the table making damie, but newest update:
with +2 max dmg buff, it will be +150% dmg and -90% heal
with +2 max heal buff, it will be +150% heal and -90% damage

so both maxed both +2 becomes +60% heal +60% damage

and moon piece will be dash cancelable

my response: im not touching the table again

[derangedcow]

if its 15 lvls for 150% and -90% that means 10% and -6%

lvl 15 dmg : +150% dmg -90% heal
lvl 6 heal : -36% dmg +60% heal

= +114% dmg -30% heal sounds cool eh

[Damie]

Edited the table. You are welcome.

[Goaty]

lol how u dodge that in pvp? hax


sacred wave + that pieces = eir's dragon rock?

This post has been edited by Goaty: 30 September 2010 - 02:57 AM